http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B000TDURA6&fc1=000000&IS2=1<1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr“Until a person accepts Jesus BY FAITH as the bible instructs them too NO PROOF is ever known by them as true, they will COUNTER every evidence presented with counter evidence, they will get mad and curse, they will demand BETTER evidence, they will walk away, BUT they can’t see what is in front of them. WHY?
Because FAITH as described in scripture is NOT the same faith as defined by those who fight God or that religion abuses, they are not one and the same.
True biblical Faith is defined in Hebrews 11:1, is where ALL the questions of God and about God are answered completely, where PROOF is found. Faith CONTAINS the proof, First acceptance then the proof not the other way around.
To many times I have seen definitions of Faith from Atheist web pages that are outright FALSEHOODS, distortions of fact that bring their minds rest in the short term but bring NOTHING to the table of debate. It is dishonest to FALSELY-DEFINE your enemies intentions to win a false argument for a short time!
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Now let’s see it from the Amplified bible
“NOW FAITH is the assurance (the confirmation, [a]the title deed) of the things [we] hope for, being the proof of things [we] do not see and the conviction of their reality [faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses].”
If Atheists are going to get their facts right they must first stop defining Faith like this:
“Faith means believing something without proper evidence to support it.“
This may seem like “circular reasoning” to you but it is a fact, its how the system was set up by God, you FIRST ACCEPT his word on faith, by faith and through faith THEN the faith God gives you releases the PROOF of the evidence your seeking.
When I came to this faith I didn’t believe anything in the bible was true but once I came to the end of myself and let him deliver me the BLINDERS were removed and I could see the truth.
We can see this principle in regular every day life as well, have you ever looked hard for something, looked in every place it could be and couldn’t find it, then decided it wasn’t there and got a new one at the store, brought it home and THEN found the old one right where you looked for it at?
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0786868724&fc1=000000&IS2=1<1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrI sure have, and its frustrating at best, but just because I couldn’t find it didn’t mean it wasn’t there!
You had the same eyes before that you had later yet you could not see it, its a matter of perspective, being in hurry, or being angry when you first looked plus we all have internalized presuppositions as to the outcomes and understandings we’ve grown up with which determine how we look at the world.
Does the statement “I’ll believe it when I see it, apply, well I hope not because IT WAS THERE even though I didn’t see it and got another one, wasted my money and time, sometimes we CAN’T believe our eyes, they can be very unreliable, as all our human emotions are without being grounded in something greater.
The concept of God is no different, and no matter how long or how hard we seek God after our ways and means the pure and holy means of FAITH is the final frontier of proof!
That something greater is FAITH!
This may be simplistic but it follows the same premise as God revealing himself in all his glory to you once you follow his plan to get the evidence to reveal the proof.
Religion does not have this absolute source, it mimics it in name only, but is actually only based in what men say God says instead of the source, the Bible.
BOTH sides have evidence that’s true, but that evidence must be supported by ALL the facts involved, all the Laws of physics and Science must be obeyed by that evidence or it is not true evidence.
Evolutionism claims that over billions of years everything is basically developing UPWARD, becoming more orderly and complex. However, this basic law of science (2nd Law of http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0883685744&fc1=000000&IS2=1<1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrThermodynamics) says the opposite. The pressure is DOWNWARD, toward simplification and disorder.
Simply watch the News and you’ll see that this is not true, life degenerates into decay and disorder every day but Naturalistic Evolutionism requires that physical laws and atoms organize themselves into increasingly complex and beneficial, ordered arrangements.
Thus, over eons of time, billions of things are supposed to have developed upward, becoming more orderly and complex.
A number of scientists believe the 2nd Law, when truly understood, is enough to refute the theory of Evolution. In fact, it is one of the most important reasons why various Evolutionists have dropped their theory in favor of Creationism.
The distinguished scientist and origins expert, Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith, puts it this way:
“What is the difference then between a stick, which is dead, and an orchid which is alive? The difference is that the orchid has teleonomy in it. It is a machine which is capturing energy to increase order. Where you have life, you have teleonomy, and then the Sun’s energy can be taken and make the thing grow – increasing its order” [temporarily].
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Teleonomy can use energy and matter to produce order and complexity.
Where did the teleonomy of living things originate?
It is important to note that the teleonomy (the ordering principle, the know-how) does not reside in matter itself. Matter, itself, is not creative.
“The pure chemistry of a cell is not enough to explain the working of a cell, although the workings are chemical. The chemical workings of a cell are controlled by information which does not reside in the atoms and molecules.”
Creationists believe cells build themselves from carefully designed and coded information which has been passed from one life to the next since their original inception.
It is evidence like this that should give pause at the very least, each piece of evidence (This is just one) adds up to proof once Faith completes the circle of evidence. But I know that you will http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=1604590610&fc1=000000&IS2=1<1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrnot see it this way as yet, I’m only explaining how I see it. Thank you for your time and I hope to talk more soon!
But you would be totally wrong about one thing I WON’T CONDEMN YOU AT ALL!
I mean that, you have every right to feel that way about religion, IT IS A TOTAL FAILURE in representing God, always has been and always will be because it is owned and operated by Human Beings. What Christians need to learn when talking about this subject is that NO ONE can come to the conclusion of PROOF until it goes from external Talking to internalized FAITH.
Until a person accepts Jesus BY FAITH as the bible instructs them too NO PROOF is ever known by them as true, they will COUNTER every evidence presented with counter evidence, they will get mad and curse, they will demand BETTER evidence, they will walk away, BUT they can’t see what is in front of them.
True biblical Faith is defined in Hebrews 11:1, this is where ALL the questions of God are answered completely, where PROOF is found. Faith CONTAINS the proof, First acceptance then the proof not the other way around.
TRUTH must be absolute or its pointless to even make any statement at all, if Truth is not an absolute then NOTHING anyone says means anything at all, going the way of the NON-Absolute make conversation silly at best there must be a rock solid stating place or its “sinking sand beliefs” of men, as soon as a point is made a counter point is made and NO evidence can stand on ether side of any issue.
But if logic itself has no ultimate validity, there is no objective basis for communication, rationality and so much that could give meaning to our world. It is certain that we would never have made any scientific or technological progress at all if we had started out with this kind of thinking.
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Hence there are “Big Issues” which ought to be considered by all men.
Questions like, “Is there life after death?”, “Am I an accident or a creation of God?”, “What should I be doing?” all make sense only if objective truth and reality exist.
This is the real problem, not that there IS NO PROOF but that no evidence can be accepted as proof because I can simply counter with “There are no absolutes, truth is what I make of it and no more!”
What the world sees as Christian is NOT christian at all it is man made false religion, it is a true case of MISTAKEN IDENTITY.
They DO NOT represent his word in any way except in using scripture to justify their crimes against God’s commands and Man’s understanding, in this we agree I’m sure.
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