Under all the “fake anger” and questions of our motives that we, as believers are not allowed to answer because our evidence is not good enough, there is that simple problem at the core of every argument they make, they do not like obedience to God, that is the real issue, no matter what is said against the Bible or God!
Let’s not kid ourselves here, say what you will, that is the single most hated thing to mankind,….. “FIX the world’s troubles, take away our problems of Hunger, Sickness and Poverty but do not with all that, require US to OBEY God in return. Its my life, leave me alone and let me do as I please!”
ALL THE ARGUMENTS IN THE WORLD CANNOT HIDE THAT FACT!
STATEMENTS LIKE THIS ONE ARE AN EXAMPLE OF THE LEVEL OF HATE.
“Always remember, faith is the tool of deceivers and the abode (house) of folly and error. Its sole purpose is to keep good people from seeking the truth and understanding wisdom. Would the creator of all knowledge and wisdom insist that you remain ignorant by simply believing what you have been told by obviously duplicitous religious founders and leaders?”
The Bible is God’s wisdom and KNOWLEDGE BUT it’s is said to be mythological and spurious at the core so the question is a straw argument MEANT TO STIR EMOTION NOT ANSWER A QUESTION or PROVE ANYTHING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER!
God’s kind of Faith as defined in Hebrews 11:1 CANNOT in any way be used to perform these acts only the normal everyday faith of man is a tool to do evil, that should be obvious to anyone who studies the word of God seriously but some do not study to learn, they look to find fault and this is intellectual dishonesty bold and obvious.
It is humanism that has failed to prove its purpose, BECAUSE whenever it has held sway in any nation around the world DESPOTISM and heartbreak rule the day JUST AS with false Religion, SO WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE, THEY BOTH DERIVE POWER FROM SELFISHNESS NOT TRUE FAITH?
I do not ask that you believe me, I only ask for a fair hearing in regard to God and creation’s proof FOUND ONLY BY FAITH ALONE! Are you so afraid I’m right that you resort to insult’s and false statements about faith, that says volumes about the insecurity of your belief’s and that goes for Christians as well, civility should rule the day not fighting each other over nothing solid.
Let’s continue with my analysis:
“They require belief in logical contradictions. Virgin births, we now know, are possible, but the technology for the implantation of fertilized eggs did not exist two thousand years ago.”
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This is just an attempt to set up a false premise and destroy the premise by the “time setting” being off from modern times, as if ONLY man could perform this act. The problem is that Man must use God’s creation (The Sperm) to implant life, God DID NOT, HE USED HIS WORD (The Seed) IMPLANTED and made FLESH, Mary was simply the vessel of Obedience!
“The belief in the Virgin birth entails the belief that God miraculously impregnated Mary with Himself. Such a belief defies experience but not logic. The Virgin birth is conceivable (to make a bad pun), unlike the Trinity. “
You will notice that he BEGINS this by calling ANYTHING we believe a ‘Logical Contradiction’ or We say that a statement, or set of statements is logically consistent when it involves no logical contradiction. A logical contradiction is the conjunction of a statement S and it’s denial not-S. In logic, it is a fundamental law- the law of non contradiction- that a statement and its denial can not both be true at the same time.
WITH THIS DEFINED AS OUR LOT, WE ARE AT THE BACK OF THE BUS BEFORE WE SPEAK, BUT IS IT SO, BECAUSE HE SAYS SO?
I say the Christian Faith is the MOST Logical concept of all and Atheism the most Non-Logical concept of all. BUT that is a matter of my experience perspective because I have received the PROOF needed to know God personally they HAVE NOT!
“The Trinity of the Godhead IS NOT PAGAN , TAKE IT FROM AN EX-PAGAN! Wrapping your mind around who God really is!”
“All arguments regarding these articles of faith are quite distinct from Rachel’s argument. “
“To defend these articles of faith, the best one can hope for is to show that they cannot be shown to be false. However, the consequence of arguing that logical contradictions may nevertheless be true, seems undesirable.”
Again he says: “the consequence of arguing that logical contradictions may nevertheless be true, seems undesirable. “ ASSUMING that they are Logical Contradictions, this is a total Straw-Man diversion, the Christian Faith is NOT a Logical Contradiction at all, it’s doctrines are HIDDEN from the understanding of a darkened mind ON PURPOSE.
You must seek truth by FAITH ALONE, all you will get otherwise is surface revelation which will explain little about God, thus your left with religious fill in the blank dogmas that make little sense!
“Such a defense requires the abandonment of the very logical principles required to make any argument and is therefore self-annihilating. “
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This alone places the debate under a different “observation Technique” altogether for the Scientist. If the person testing FAITH is unsaved then his conclusions will not be correct unless observed from the standpoint of the spiritual PERSON OF FAITH, that is only Logical. You wouldn’t want a blind person telling you about a sunset if they have never seen one, as you should want someone who understands God to explain him not a hypocrite WHO HATE THE CONCEPT OF GOD!
What if I wanted to test Atheism as to its validity, would I get any results testing its principles UNDER CHRISTIAN CONDITIONS?
It defies Logic to think that Atheists make the rules up concerning God and his creation before proper investigation is ever done, and then claim a non-bias with a smile! If an Atheist TRULY wants to find the PROOF of God they must do it as a believer for their results to be revealed. Faith from God cannot be revealed to a dark heart that refuses to see truth as it is, “The God Kind Of Faith” opens into light what is now hidden by darkness!
The insurmountable Evidence of a creative act is everywhere while the made-up version of beginnings has the stage in Schools. This is the sole reason they fear COMPARATIVE TEACHING OF BOTH THEORY’S in school, because once the Truth is out the children will see the hypocrisy and cover-up.
“The fact that arguments such as Rachel’s and those defending articles of religious faith are not empirical or resolvable by scientific methods hardly makes them equally matters of faith.”
What is Empirical research?
“It is a way of gaining knowledge by means of direct observation or experience. It is used to answer empirical questions, which must be precisely defined and answerable with data-theory regarding the topic under investigation. Based on this theory some statements, or hypotheses, will be proposed.
From these hypotheses predictions about specific events are derived.
Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge AS REQUIRED, but Evolutionists have never corrected their glaring errors in text books…WHY?.
To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning. This is not done with the concept of God at all, they do not examine
A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses, this was and is done by Creationists but their Data is ignored by unprofessional scientists of Evolution simply because it doesn’t support their personal beliefs.
We both are acting on Faith but the Church of Jesus has God’s Proof contained in what they act on, Atheist’s are acting on mere assumptions about God, but nonetheless trusting in a future answer in science, or somewhere that will fill in the gaps and Missing Links for them. IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!