What’s the true connection between “IDOL WORSHIP” and God’s seeming violent reaction toward it?

Exodus 20:4-6

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0830832610&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr“You shall not make yourself any graven {refers to the household gods of idolaters. “Every nation and city had its own gods. Yet every family had its separate household or tutelary god.” } image [to worship { A title of honor, used in addresses to certain magistrates and other of respectable character.} or any likeness of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;You shall not bow down yourself to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me,But showing mercy and steadfast love to a thousand generations of those who love Me and keep My commandments.”

THIS COMMAND IS VERY CLEAR TO ME, IS IT NOT CLEAR TO YOU? 

HOW COULD ANYONE “MISINTERPRET”THIS CLEAR STATEMENT AGAINST HAVING PERSONAL OR NATIONAL IDOLS TO WORSHIP (Give credit for life) or BOW DOWN TO (Give over control of life too).

WHAT DO THESE “MILLIONS AND MILLIONS” OF IDOLS AROUND THE WORLD MEAN IN THE BIG PICTURE OF WHAT GOD SEES?

KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE WERE “NO IDOLS WHATSOEVER”BEFORE THE FLOOD!

Why ?

I believe that the CLOSER that one gets to the time of Adam & Eve, the greater the PURE http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0875522629&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrKNOWLEDGE OF THE LIVING GOD’S EXISTENCE & PRESENCE IS BOTH “FELT BY THE SENSES”and “SEEN WITH THE PHYSICAL EYES”.

BUT THE FARTHER YOU GET FROM THE TIME OF THE GREAT FLOOD, AFTER GOD CAME DOWN TO “CONFUSE THE LANGUAGES & SPREAD MAN OUT INTO ALL THE FACE OF THE EARTH, THE PRESENCE OF GOD DIMINISHED IN THE “PRESENCE OF MAN” AND MAN ONLY “PASSED GOD ON AS A STORY OF THE PAST.

THAT STORY TELLING WAS PASSED ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR MAN TO RECALL GOD.

THEY “INVENTED IDOLS” FROM THE “MYTH” and THE FACT OF GOD MIXED TOGETHER.

IDOLS BECAME THE REPRESENTATIVE’S OF WHAT GOD WAS TO THOSE WHO TOLD THE ANCIENT STORIES AND FROM “INNOCENT INTENTIONS”, FROM HEARTS THAT WISHED TO WORSHIP THE GOD OF ANCIENT HISTORY WAS BORN AN ABOMINATION THE BIBLE CALLS “WILL WORSHIP”.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B004NNVEZU&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrThis is where we actually worship our own reason,and understanding of God as we see him,rather than what the bible teaches about God.

{From our MINDS are born false idols, the reflections of those mis-understandings.}
Exodus 34:14
“For you shall worship no other god; for the Lord, Whose name is Jealous, is a jealous (impassioned) God,”
NOW, LOOK CAREFULLY AT THIS VERSE …GOD’S NAME IS IMPASSIONED, IN OTHER WORDS HIS “AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT HE DOES AGAINST “IDOLS” IS IMPASSIONED, HE’S VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS AND WILL NEVER BACK DOWN!
NOW ASK YOURSELF WHY IS HE SO IMPASSIONED ABOUT THIS?

Deuteronomy 4:24
“For the Lord your God is a consuming{Burning; wasting; destroying; expending; eating; devouring.} fire, a jealous { An Impassioned} God.”

Deuteronomy 6:15 
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WHY?

Because of IDOLS!

Deuteronomy 32:16,21
“They provoked {Excited; roused; incited; made angry; incensed.} Him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations they provoked Him to anger….They have moved Me to jealousy {IMPASSIONED} with what is not God; they have angered Me with their idols. So I will move them to jealousy {TO BE IMPASSIONED TOWARD} with those who are not a people {GOD PLACED THEM IN THE HANDS OF THOSE WHO “INVENTED” THEIR FALSE gods,to show them that these gods could not save them from his judgment!}; I will anger them with a foolish { Nation without UNDERSTANDING, A} nation { that WORSHIPS OTHER GODS THAT MY PEOPLE “THINK” ARE GODS,THAT ARE “NO GODS”}.

1 Samuel 15:23 
“For rebellion {An open and avowed renunciation of the authority of the government to which one owes allegiance; or the taking of arms traitorously to resist the authority of lawful government; revolt. } is as the sin of witchcraft{ The practices of witches; sorcery; enchantments; intercourse OR interaction of powers of deception with the devil}, and http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0674443136&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrstubbornness {Perverse and unreasonable obstinacy; inflexibility } is as idolatry { The worship of idols, images, or any thing made by hands, or which is not God.

Idolatry is of two kinds

the worship of images, statues, pictures, made by hands; and the worship of the heavenly bodies,the sun, moon and stars, or of demons, angels, men and animals. Excessive attachment or veneration for any thing, or that which borders on adoration. } and teraphim (household good luck images).

“Because you have rejected {Thrown away; cast off; refused; slighted. } the word of the Lord, He also has rejected you from being king.”

THIS IS KEY HERE ABOUT GOD,HE WILL NOT PUNISH WHAT THAT WHICH HE HAS NOT PRE-WARNED US ABOUT,WE MUST “REJECT” WHAT GOD COMMANDS TO BE DONE OR NOT DONE BEFORE HIS JUDGMENT FALLS!

“Detestable or Extremely hateful; abominable; very odious; deserving abhorrence.” An intolerant word that does not belong in the mouths of enlightened people. Or does it ?

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B002GYWNF8&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrWe live in an era where native religions are looked upon with respect and interest, almost with longing. Native American religions are the current fad in the US, while in Britain there is a renewed interest in the religion of the ancient Druids. One question that is not asked very loudly is, “What does the true God think of these religions?”

Scripture indicates that God takes false religions with extreme seriousness, since they pose a great threat to the purity of his people’s faith.

Canaan was populated by a conglomeration of many emigrant peoples, there were many variations and some local deities, not to mention the many gods worshiped in Egypt.
Dagon was worshiped by the Philistines. Chemosh, Milkom, and Molech are probably different names for the same god worshiped by the Ammonites which involved child sacrifice.

Baal and Ashtoreth

The chief Canaanite fertility gods, however, were Baal and Ashtoreth. Baal (the son of El) was revered as the god with power over rain, wind, clouds, and therefore over fertility. Ashtoreth was a Semite goddess derived from the Babylonian god Ishtar. As worshiped locally in Canaan, she was the consort of Baal, and supposedly brought fertility to the people who worshiped her.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0970220200&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrWhile temples are occasionally mentioned, Canaanite worship often took place in open-air sites at the tops of hills, referred to in the Bible as “high places.” Usually there was a masseba or stone pillar erected as a symbol of the male deity and an asherah representing the female counterpart, some sort of wooden pole or image of the goddess. In front of these was a sacrificial altar.

Cult Prostitution

Craigie and Wilson describe some of the worship:

“Characteristic of Canaanite fertility ritual is the association of male and female ‘holy ones’ (cult prostitutes) with temples and shrines of the fertility deities. By joining in the activities of cultic sexuality, common people could participate in ‘stockpiling’ fertility energy, which ensured the continuing stability of agricultural as well as human and animal productivity. 

Archaeological excavations in Canaanite locations have uncovered temples with chambers where sexual activity took place. Also, many iconographic representations of the fertility goddess with exaggerated sexual features have been discovered. The influence of the fertility cult was widespread; it was combated fiercely in Israel as alien to the covenant faith (e.g. Hosea 1-3)” (P.C. Craigie and G.H. Wilson, ISBE 4:100).

But an even greater danger than the detestable practices of Canaanite religion, were the http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B000BVGYSU&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrassumptions that underlay them, which were diametrically opposed to the worship of Yahweh. We need to consider carefully how the worship of the true God differed.

Monotheism

We take monotheism, the worship of one God, for granted. But the Israelites lived in a culture, both in Egypt and now in Canaan, where many gods were worshiped. The First Commandment was clear:

“You shall have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3). 

The great saying of Israel, the Shema, became its hallmark and identifying feature down through the centuries, even quoted by Jesus (Mark 12:29):

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength” (Deuteronomy 6:4-5).

The TRUE Christian understanding of the Trinity is also monotheistic. We believe in a tri-unity, “God in three persons.

But Canaanite religion challenged this monotheism, and Israel was constantly tempted to http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B002KOIHVI&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrworship additional gods for added “insurance” against bad crops or infertility of herds JUST IMAGINE,HAVING TO HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH AN ANIMAL TO PRODUCE “FERTILITY” for your herds…that is what these gods demanded of their worshipers.

Idolatry

Another earmark of the worship of Yahweh was that He was invisible.
Paul’s doxology in 1 Timothy 1:17 summarizes this unique understanding of the true God:

“Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen” (KJV).

” Even though various prophets have had visions of God, “No one has ever seen God {IN HIS COMPLETE REVEALED GLORY}, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known” (John 1:18). 

He lives in glory, glory so unapproachable that Moses could not see God’s face but only his backside (Exodus 33:20-23), and speaking to him left a glow on Moses’ face (Exodus 34:29).
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According to Jesus, God is spirit, not flesh (John 4:24) and must be worshiped that way.
The miracle of the Incarnation is that “The Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:14).

Failure to understand the invisibility and immortality of God is serious. In our day, Mormons misunderstand this. They teach that God the Father had a body just like us. Their God is intensely physical.

What does this have to do with idolatry? 

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In the Ten Commandments God gave very specific commands against this:

“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth” (Exodus 20:4; KJV).

The Tabernacle in the Wilderness had no physical God in its “Holy of Holies,” only an ark, which represented his throne. The absence of an image on this throne was a telling reminder that the true God transcended a desert tent. Even Solomon, when dedicating the glorious temple in Jerusalem, prayed, “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!” (1 Kings 8:27)

The Protestants stripped sanctuaries of any kind of decoration. They KNEW that the Catholic images of the saints had become idols to be worshiped in and of themselves.
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BUT that’s the exact same thing ALL IDOLATERS SAY ABOUT THEIR FALSE WORSHIP!

Nevertheless, there is always the danger that we will try to HARDEN God into an image or icon or statuette which we can venerate.

That is what Israel’s neighbors were doing with their household idols and the statues of their gods at their high places. And this danger of idolatry is always a threat to a true understanding of God. 

“Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen” (1 Tim. 1:17).

Detestable

While we may be “Forgiving and tolerant, the very survival of the people of Israel depended upon them being intolerant of the religions around them. Most of us in the Western world live in pluralistic societies that are governed as a democracy, where the majority rules.

We cannot understand ancient Israel unless we understand it as a completely different kind of nation, a theocracy ruled by a king — God himself (and through human kings who are to rule on God’s behalf). A theocracy cannot tolerate other religions any more than a democracy can tolerate organizations whose aim is the violent overthrow the constituted government. If we http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0802833748&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrtolerate subversives and traitors to our government, we sow the seeds of the destruction of our way of life. Treason against the king in a theocracy is worship of another king or god, and cannot be tolerated.

The Bible refers to these false gods as detestable. God, through Moses, commanded them, “Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God” (Deuteronomy. 20:17-18. See also Genesis 15:16; 2 Kings 21:11; Ezra 9:1; 1 Kings 11:5-7; 1 Kings 14:24; 2 Kings 16:3; 2 Kings 23:13; 2 Chronicles 36:14; Ezra 9:11; Judges 10:6.)

The beliefs and practices of the Canaanites were not only detestable, they also defiled and degraded the people who practiced them { The LAND ITSELF WAS COMPLETELY POLLUTED BY THEIR SEXUAL AND HUMAN SACRIFICE and After a list of sexual sins, God commands the Israelites in Leviticus:

Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways { In incestuous copulations and marriages, in adultery, corporeal and spiritual, and bestiality , God made laws against unnatural lusts, sodomy and bestiality, sins not to be named nor thought of without the utmost abhorrence imaginable, Lev_18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. “
Lev 18:23 
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0874415837&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr“Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion”…OF WHAT ? Think about this for a moment,sexual sins with men can lead them to mental confusion by the very “spiritual nature” of sex..so HOW MUCH MORE WITH ANIMALS!”

Other sins level men with the beasts, but these sink them much lower. That there ever should have been occasion for the making of these laws is bad enough, since they were published by God to men that they should ever have been broken is even more disturbing, it is the perpetual reproach and scandal of human nature; and the giving of men up to these vile affections was frequently the punishment of their idolatries; so the apostle shows,
Rom_1:24 

“Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:” }, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. But you must keep my decrees and my laws.”

 

The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things, for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0525951369&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr” And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you (Leviticus 18:24-28).

These seven nations of the land of Canaan, which God ejected out of their land to make room for the them, and on account of the above shocking common vices which abounded among them; so the land they dwelt upon was defiled by there personal & national sins, even the land called for vengeance on them as Abel’s blood called out to God, as even loathing its inhabitants.

Think about how you would feel as a parent if all your training and loving personal touch were being consistently threatened by an outside source every time you released your children into the hands of their school by “DETESTABLE” teaching about unnatural things TAUGHT AS NORMAL EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE THAT SHOULD BE TOLERATED AND ALLOWED TO HAPPEN AS A NATURAL LOVE BETWEEN CONSENTING ADULTS. 

How would you feel about that happening to you? 

WELL THAT’S JUST WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO GOD, HIS PLANS ARE BEING CONSTANTLY OVERTHROWN,NOT BY SATAN; BUT BY HIS OWN CHILDREN…CAN http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B004J8HU4S&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrWE HONESTLY TRY TO CONVINCE OURSELVES THAT GOD HAS NO RIGHT TO BE “JEALOUS” AND POSSESSIVE OF HIS OWN CREATION, JUST AS YOU AS A PARENT ARE OF YOUR CHILDREN?

Idolatry in the Pentateuch: An Innertextual Strategy

 A Vindication of the Doctrine that the Sacrifice of the Mass is Idolatry 

The Baal Conspiracy: An Expose’ of Everyday Idolatry 

The Idolatry of Black America 

At the Altar of Sexual Idolatry Workbook 

Part 4 – My Response To An Atheist Essay!

“Hell, of course, is the mother of all of my problems with the bible. It is perhaps the most despicable and hideous of all of the Christian God’s crimes. Indeed, the cruelest of all http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B000PY432M&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrconcentration camps.”“Most courts of law would take custody of your child from you just for an excessive spanking. We as a people enacted these laws, for we thought them to be logical. Is God above logic, or what we deem as compassionate behavior?”

  THE REAL PROBLEM HERE IS THIS IS A “FALSE ARGUMENT, BECAUSE THE BIBLE NEVER SAYS A CHILD OF GOD CAN GO TO HELL; It is the “Illegitimate” Children of Satan THAT SPEND ETERNITY WITH THEIR FATHER SATAN,WHICH IS ONLY PROPER!
“Free Will”, You Say?

“It is also written that I was given free will with which to choose if I will go to hell or not. How can you possibly deem something free when you must fear consequences?”
 HERE I WOULD ASK
Is the FACT that we enjoy freedom in this country any reason to believe that, that freedom does not come with CONSEQUENCES ATTACHED and responsibilities as well? 
Breathing is FREE to do but if you breath in something bad, there are consequences to your body, but breathing is still free to do! How dare this be true, why can’t I breath in whatever I want without harm?The same is true with FREE WILL,  you can do whatever you choose to do but don’t cry about the results not being what you intended when you choose to do it!


Its always funny to me how we justify stupid behavior by BLAMING GOD for the way things are set up to work, if you break the rules in the instructions you cannot blame the manufacturer of the product. The only way to sue the manufacturer is if there is a DESIGN flaw that causes the problem. 
We as Americans have responsibility to function within the Laws of our country. If we go outside those Laws WE will be incarcerated or fined for the time allowed by Law, we cannot get around the Law just because we are “Citizens” of this country.}

“That (says she) completely conflicts with the definition of free. If I were to hold a gun to your head and say “you have free will to not give me your wallet, but if you attempt to defy me I will kill you.” Does it really feel as if you have a choice in the matter? Of course not.”

“Free means to give or receive something with out an expectation of return. The whole free will concept is self-defeating. Call it Circumstantial Will, for that is what it truly is.”

“That indeed, we as children of God, chose rather to be hell’s inmates then God’s disciples in heaven. It’s an interesting idea. However, you don’t have to hurt anyone to get into Hell. All it takes, according to Scripture, is knowing about Jesus and not accepting him as Savior.” 
WHAT JESUS DID TO STOP YOU FROM GOING TO HELL!
Here is where I would contend that she AND MOST IN THE CHURCHES have a total misunderstanding of the WILL of man.
 
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AFTER THE FALL HIS WILL WAS THEN PULLED BY SIN AND SHADED IN THE VOID OF EVIL,WHEREVER “GOODNESS”WAS ABSENT.
The problem now is that our “mind, will & emotions” are under a shadow, a void, where our understanding must be “Enlightened” by God to TRULY SEE THE WAY- It does NOT matter whether or NOT our will is Free or Enslaved, it is still the only will we have to choose with.
But the real issue lies with “A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT GOD’S ORIGINAL PLAN FOR US and because of this missing piece of the puzzle we “DECIDE OR CHOOSE” by wrong information given to us by satanic beings leading us astray and a fallen heart filled with darkness which blinds our choices .

But it is STILL your WILL tainted as it is:

It is the part of you that DECIDES THINGS, that is spiritually being “RAPED” by demonic lies. And each time a lie is accepted it becomes easier and easier to believe the lie!


OR IT CAN BE “GUIDED” BY GOD TO MAKE A RIGHT CHOICE! 
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=1616380276&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrBut  SHE IS RIGHT ABOUT one thing here ACCEPTING JESUS AS SAVIOR BEING THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID HELL!


THIS IS THE TRUE CHOICE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, FOR JESUS EMBODIES ALL THE PERFECTIONS OF HEAVEN! 
He and he alone can make the right choices because he’s been there and has a “bird’s eye view” of the future! He alone has the KEY to death and Hell, He alone is the Doorway to heaven!
 
We have SELFISH, SELF ABSORBED WILLS THAT ARE BOUND BY WORLDLY PLEASURES AND MISCONCEPTIONS OF THOUGHT.
Our minds IN Hell will EMBODY ALL THE “REGRETFUL SUFFERINGS OF life”ONCE WE “DIE”.
Remember HELL won’t freeze over!
 
We will “KNOW FULLY WHAT WE’VE MISSED OUT ON “BECAUSE OF OUR PERSONAL CHOICES” TO SERVE SELF INSTEAD OF GOD, and this in turn will produce the “Physical sufferings of our spiritual bodies” in hell.
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0800759494&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrThe suffering will equal our personal choices in life, no one will suffer for others sins so each punishment will be JUST! God KNOWS your secrets!
 
HELL EXISTS!
THIS IS A FACT!
Our personal beliefs do not change reality in this life or the next. No amount of “Worldly Reasoning” will make the slightest difference to the Judgement seat of Christ!


But there are those who try to attack GOD’S CHARACTER ABOUT HELL,which is like attacking the “WARDEN’S CHARACTER” BECAUSE HE RUNS A PRISON SANCTIONED BY THE LAW OF THE LAND!
 
ASK YOURSELF: Why would Jesus use wording that seems to be BASED UPON pagan false doctrine IF IT REALLY WERE FALSE DOCTRINE ?
The suggestion that Jesus used Jewish Fable and Pagan false doctrine in Luke 16 is inconceivable, not to mention stupid reasoning!
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=1599793393&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrArians, who believe Jesus sided with the Sadducees view of extinction, simply cannot explain Luke 16 which teaches the opposite reality.
They are forced into falsely accusing Jesus of promoting what He knew was pagan false doctrine! 
The only reasonable conclusion, is that conscious life after death IS NOT pagan false doctrine, but the very truth Jesus chose to convey by simply reading Luke 16! There’s no interpreting to do just read it as is!
Paul condemned using Jewish myths and fables in 1 Tim. 1:4; 4:7; 2 Tim. 4:4; Tit. 1:14; 2 Pet. 1:16! 
Rather than call themselves false teachers, they call Jesus the false teacher! 
Now PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT ATHEIST’S DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANYTHING SPIRITUAL AS A REALITY, HELL, HEAVEN, GOD….
SO THIS IS ONLY TO PROVE THAT JESUS TAUGHT THIS VERY IMPORTANT DOCTRINE AND IT WAS NOT A FALSE DOCTRINE!

Is there any real logic about the concept of Hell?

The ‘logic’ of hell in the bible is surprisingly simple:

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The bible is full of images of this reciprocity concept:
1.) reaping what you sow…
2.) being paid back….
3.) suffering loss as you had despoiled others….
 
4.) unkindness for unkindness shown….
5.) apathy for apathy rendered…..
6.) ‘eye for an eye’…..
7.) proportional judgment.
Most traditionalists also recognize that our exploitative actions toward others also modify our own characters in the process. 
When I treat people destructively, I also treat myself in some way destructively.
When I treat people kindly, I also treat myself kindly.
“Before proceeding, though, one more preliminary is in order. We do not accept the idea that hell is a place where God actively tortures people forever and ever. 
There will indeed be everlasting, conscious, mental and physical torment in various degrees according to the lives people have lived here on earth.
But the essence of that torment is relational in nature: the banishment from heaven and all it stands for.
Mental and physical anguish result from the sorrow and shame of the judgment of being forever rationally excluded from God, heaven, and so forth.

It is not due to God himself inflicting torture.”

“In response, we should first point out that we would agree that an un-ending hell of moment by moment, active torture by God would be unjust and hard to square with his love and the intrinsic dignity of man. 
But we have already shown that our understanding of hell is different from the torture-chamber model.”
 
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0883682796&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrHell is not a torture chamber, and people in hell are not howling like dogs in mind-numbing pain. There are degrees of anguish in hell.
“The Bible describes hell primarily in relational terms–
it is ‘away from’ God
Therefore, it involves banishment from his presence, his purposes, and his followers.
Like heaven, hell is a freely chosen destination. 
What we decide to believe and do in this life sets us on a road leading to a final destination in the next…Hell is also a place of shame, sorrow, regret, and anguish.
This intense pain is not actively produced by God; he is not a cosmic torturer. Undoubtedly, anguish and torment will exist in hell.
And because we will have both body and soul in the resurrected state, the anguish experienced can be both mental and physical. 
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Hell’s occupants will deeply and tragically regret all they lost. As Jesus said, ‘For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?’ (Matt 16:26)”
“The Bible’s picture of hell, therefore, indicates that upon death, some people will be translated into a different, nonsocial mode of existence. 
They will be conscious, and they will await the resurrection of their bodies, at which time they will be banished from heaven and secured in hell where they will experience unending, conscious exclusion from God, his people, and anything of value.
This banishment will include conscious sorrow, shame, and anguish to differing degrees, depending on the person’s life on earth.”
I could not have said it better myself, HELL HAS BEEN TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD BY EVEN THE CHURCH ITSELF…SO HOW MUCH MORE HAS IT BEEN MISUNDERSTOOD BY THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD?
The second is from a Catholic source…SURPRISED! I WAS! 
 
A New Catechism:
Catholic Faith for Adults, Seabury:1966, p.480:
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This could be wrongly understood, as if a disaster or even an injustice then befell the damned, as can sometimes happen with punishments on earth. 
Hence we find it more enlightening to express the same truth by the term ‘eternal sin’. The state of cold obstinacy has become eternal.  They have become impervious to God, love, goodness, Christ and fellowship. 
But it was for these things that man was made.
It is now a total perversion, sin brought to its fullest self-expression. 
To be lost means to be entirely closed in on oneself, without contact with others or with God. This is the punishment, the ‘second death’ (Rev. 20:14). 
Scripture uses terrifying words to express it: darkness, gnashing of teeth, fire. They need not be taken as literal descriptions. 
They are apt expressions nonetheless of the dismay at having missed the end and object of existence.”
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Moreland and Habermas, for example, would probably be considered ‘literalists’ when it comes to the Book of Revelation (probably pre-millennialist). 
The couple of passages that paint potential “mind-numbing” pictures of torment in hell would not be ‘explained away’ by these two, but would be given full weight in constructing their comment quoted above. 
There is no ‘softening’ of the reality of hell here by them, but there is no Dante here either (they literally refer to hell as “living in a state with a low quality of life”–hardly a description of mind-numbing torment! (p.173))…
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We must try to see the biblical teaching without these cultural and historical preconceptions. 

The Atheist sees Hell in the light of the misconceptions that the church has propagated through false pagan ideas of punishment instead of the Literal words of God in the Bible, so it would be illogical to base your concepts of God upon pagan ideas, would it not?

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