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Kenneth Hagin’s Forgotten Warning

 

A warning that I missed from Brother Hagin, it is very refreshing to know he had it right then and it still rings true today!

CBN.com – Charismatic Bible teacher Kenneth Hagin Sr. is considered the father of the so-called prosperity gospel. The folksy, self-trained “Dad Hagin” started a grass-roots movement in Oklahoma that produced a Bible college and a crop of famous preachers including Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Savelle, Charles Capps, Jesse DuPlantis, Creflo Dollar and dozens of others—all of whom teach that Christians who give generously should expect financial rewards on this side of heaven.

Hagin taught that God was not glorified by poverty and that preachers do not have to be poor. But before he died in 2003 and left his Rhema Bible Training Center in the hands of his son, Kenneth Hagin Jr., he summoned many of his colleagues to Tulsa to rebuke them for distorting his message. He was not happy that some of his followers were manipulating the Bible to support what he viewed as greed and selfish indulgence.

Those who were close to Hagin Sr. say he was passionate about correcting these abuses before he died. In fact, he wrote a brutally honest book to address his concerns.

The Midas Touch was published in 2000, a year after the infamous Tulsa meeting.

Many Word-Faith ministers ignored the book. But in light of the recent controversy over prosperity doctrines, it might be a good idea to dust it off and read it again.

Here are a few of the points Hagin made in The Midas Touch:

1. Financial prosperity is not a sign of God’s blessing. Hagin wrote: “If wealth alone were a sign of spirituality, then drug traffickers and crime bosses would be spiritual giants. Material wealth can be connected to the blessings of God or it can be totally disconnected from the blessings of God.”

2. People should never give in order to get. Hagin was critical of those who “try to make the offering plate some kind of heavenly vending machine.” He denounced those who link giving to getting, especially those who give cars to get new cars or who give suits to get new suits. He wrote: “There is no spiritual formula to sow a Ford and reap a Mercedes.”

3. It is not biblical to “name your seed” in an offering. Hagin was horrified by this practice, which was popularized in faith conferences during the 1980s. Faith preachers sometimes tell donors that when they give in an offering they should claim a specific benefit to get a blessing in return. Hagin rejected this idea and said that focusing on what you are going to receive “corrupts the very attitude of our giving nature.”

4. The “hundredfold return” is not a biblical concept. Hagin did the math and figured out that if this bizarre notion were true, “we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!” He rejected the popular teaching that a believer should claim a specific monetary payback rate.

to those who give in certain offerings. He wrote in The Midas Touch”

(Many evangelists who appear on Christian television today use this bogus claim. Usually they insist that the miraculous debt cancellation will occur only if a person “gives right now,” as if the anointing for this miracle suddenly evaporates after the prime time viewing hour. This manipulative claim is more akin to witchcraft than Christian belief.)

Hagin condemned other hair-brained gimmicks designed to trick audiences into emptying their wallets. He was especially incensed when a preacher told his radio listeners that he would take their prayer requests to Jesus’ empty tomb in Jerusalem and pray over them there—if donors included a special love gift. “What that radio preacher really wanted was more people to send in offerings,” Hagin wrote.

Thanks to the recent resurgence in bizarre donation schemes promoted by American charismatics, the prosperity gospel is back under the nation’s microscope. It’s time to revisit Hagin’s concerns and find a biblical balance.

Hagin told his followers: “Overemphasizing or adding to what the Bible actually teaches invariably does more harm than good.”

If the man who pioneered the modern concept of biblical prosperity blew the whistle on his own movement, wouldn’t it make sense for us to listen to his admonition?

J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma magazine.

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This article by J. Lee Grady of Charisma Magazine will no doubt be doing the rounds but it is worth reprinting in a day when there is a lot of unquestioned practises around, especially to do with giving.
 
Before he died in 2003, the revered father of the Word-Faith movement corrected his spiritual sons for going to extremes with their message of prosperity.
 
Charismatic Bible teacher Kenneth Hagin Sr. is considered the father of the so-called prosperity gospel. The folksy, self-trained “Dad Hagin” started a grass-roots movement in Oklahoma that produced a Bible college and a crop of famous preachers including Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Savelle, Charles Capps, Jesse DuPlantis, Creflo Dollar and dozens of others—all of whom teach that Christians who give generously should expect financial rewards on this side of heaven.
 
Hagin taught that God was not glorified by poverty and that preachers do not have to be…

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Part 2 – The Doorway of Proving what we hope for :The Law of Logic !

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B000PY4P0M&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrI understand very clearly that Atheists and Agnostics look at this proof of God as ‘Circular Reasoning’, using the Bible to prove God exists. BUT let’s get real here for a moment, this is exactly how our courts deal in evidence, they allow this form of proof along with others into evidence to prove guilt or innocence.

    Foundation Evidence

  1. For any witness to be allowed to testify, the side presenting the witness must lay what is known as foundation. To establish foundation, the witness must show he or she has some knowledge material to the case, be it an eyewitness account of what happened or expert testimony to help the jury. If foundation cannot be established, the witness cannot testify.  
  2. (The Bible is filled with the Foundations of the Evidence to prove that God exists. A simple reading of the New Testament books can end this debate once and for all, the testimony of http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0735590427&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrthe Apostles demonstrate the Life of Christ, his words and his actions.)

    Evidence of Relevance

  3. Any evidence presented must be relevant to the case at issue, otherwise it is not admissible. Say that the defendant is a known adulterer, for example, and a witness testifies to that fact. The defendant, however, is charged with possession of marijuana. Information about his infidelity to his wife is not admissible because it is not relevant to what he is currently on trial for, possession of marijuana.
  4. http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0735570604&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr(The case at issue is God, Jesus, and Creation, so THE BEST source of Relevant Evidence concerning anything biblical is….you guessed it The Bible. This is well known to Atheist’s even though they deny it to your face, but nonetheless a FACT!) 

    Hearsay Evidence

  5. Perhaps the most important rule of evidence is the rule against hearsay. Hearsay is any out-of-court statement, spoken or otherwise, offered to prove the truth of something asserted in court. If the statement is made out of court, as a general rule it is not admissible. If Joe tells Mark he saw Lucy steal a DVD, Joe has to be in court to testify. Mark cannot testify as to what Joe told him, as that is an out-of-court statement offered to prove Lucy took the DVD, and that is hearsay.
  6. http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0314152210&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr(Whenever an Atheist tells you that the Bible is ‘Hearsay Evidence’ doesn’t understand what ‘Hearsay Evidence’ is, the Bible is the evidence that is in court to prove the idea we must understand, the ‘Hearsay’ is ALL EXTERNAL NONSENSE surrounding the Bible called ‘Disinformation’, this is the real Hearsay from those without understanding about God! )

    Hearsay Exceptions

  7. While hearsay seems pretty straightforward, there are numerous exceptions that allow it to come in. Statements made by the defendant, statements made for medical help, statements made on a deathbed, and excited utterances are all admissible as exceptions to the hearsay rule. There are nearly 30 exceptions to the hearsay rule.
  8. Trial hearsay: Objections & exceptions

    http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0735529817&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr`Excited utterance’ exception to hearsay rule. (Nursing Law Case of the Month).: An article from: Nursing Law’s Regan Report

    The Hearsay Handbook – The Hearsay Rule and its 40 Exceptions

    The Hearsay Rule

    Trial Hearsay: Objections and Exceptions

    Fundamentals of Litigation: Evidence and Discovery (Certified Paralegal Course)

    http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0140449523&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr(‘Hearsay’ that would be allowed is evidence from external sources that validate the biblical sources, Archeology, Science of every type, Geography, Historical settings, Outside Contextual sources like other books, tablets, scrolls within the same time-frame of the Bible that Aline with its time-lines. The Dead Sea scrolls prove that the Old Testament Books NEVER CHANGED over thousands of years. )  

    The Dead Sea Scrolls – Revised Edition: A New Translation

    The Dead Sea Scrolls Today, rev. ed

    The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible: The Oldest Known Bible Translated for the First Time into English

    The Complete World of the Dead Sea Scrolls

    http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0195084500&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrThe Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered: The First Complete Translation and Interpretation of 50 Key Documents withheld for Over 35 Years

    Understanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: A Reader From the Biblical Archaeology ReviewUnderstanding the Dead Sea Scrolls: A Reader From the Biblical Archaeology Review

    Evidence of Expert Testimony

  9. In situations where specialized or scientific knowledge may help the jury make its determination, an expert may testify about such knowledge. Experts are not actual witnesses to the crime, but they can offer opinions any information within their area of expertise that may help the jury. Experts in criminal trials testify about everything from ballistics and DNA evidence, to investigation procedures and company policies. Experts must be qualified and are only allowed to testify about their area of expertise.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=1420055038&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr(When it comes to expert Testimony concerning the Bible it comes from Scientists, Archaeologists, Jewish, Roman, Babylonian, and various other peoples of the Bibles Background of experts, Contextual experts, Document experts, experts in Poetry, Literature, and Apocalyptic literature! )
 
 
 
  
Laws of nature  
 Laws of nature are of two basic forms:
(1) a law is universal if it states that some conditions, so far as are known, invariably are found together with certain other conditions; and 
(2) a law is probabilistic if it affirms that, on the average, a stated fraction of cases displaying a http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0273710516&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrgiven condition will display a certain other condition as well. In either case, a law may be valid even though…

One of the primary principles of logic :
is the law of (non-) contradiction.
Basically it states that no statement (proposition, assertion, etc.) can be both true and not true–false-
The second primary law of logic:
 
is the principle of excluded middle.
The law of (non-)contradiction simply states that A cannot equal or be non-A
The third primary law of logic :
 
is called the law of identity.
The fourth primary law of logic:
 
is the law of logical or rational inference

These four primary laws of logic are vital–essential–to all coherent or intelligible discussions or arguments.

As I hope is evident, one cannot–in any intelligent sense–not use them! I have witnessed many times evolutionists NOT using good Logic as well as Christians!

This argument is adapted from the Transcendental Argument championed by Greg Bahnsen

How does a Christian account for the laws of logic?

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B003TZ08F0&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrThe Christian worldview states that God is absolute and the standard of truth from God is absolute.

Therefore, the absolute laws of logic exist because they reflect the nature of an absolute God.

God did not create the laws of logic.

They were not brought into existence, since they reflect God’s thinking.

Since God is eternal, the laws of logic are too.

Man, being made in God’s image, is capable of discovering these laws of logic.

He does not invent them.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0830826947&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrTherefore, the Christian can account for the existence of the laws of logic by acknowledging they originate from God and that Man is only discovering them.

Nevertheless, the atheist might say this answer is too simplistic and too convenient.  It might be, but at least the Christian worldview can account for the existence of logic itself.

Examples of the laws of logic:

Law of Identity:

Something is what it is.

Something that exists has a specific nature.

Law of Non-Contradiction:

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Law of Excluded Middle:

a statement is either true or false.

Thus, the statement, “A statement is either true or false,” is either true or false.

How does the atheist account for the laws of logic?

If the atheist states that the laws of logic are conventions (mutually agreed upon conclusions), then the laws of logic are not absolute because they are subject to a “vote.”

The laws of logic are not dependent upon different peoples’ http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B00352KDW0&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrminds, since people are all different in their thoughts on every subject.

Therefore, Logic cannot be born of human thinking, since human thinking is often contradictory.

If the atheist states that the laws of logic are derived through observing natural principles found in nature, then he is confusing the mind with the universe, the two are not the same thing.

We discover laws of physics by observing and analyzing the behavior of things around us.

The laws of logic are not the result of observable behavior of object or actions.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=1565073282&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrFor example, in nature we do not see something that is both itself and not itself at the same time.

Why?

Because we can only observe a phenomena that exists, not one that does not exist.  If something is not itself, then it doesn’t exist.

How then can the property of that non-existent thing be observed?

It cannot.

Therefore, we are not discovering a law of logic by observation, but by thought.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=1598031171&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrOr, where in nature do we observe that something cannot bring itself into existence if it does not already exist?

You cannot make an observation about how something does not occur if it does not exist.

You would be, in essence, observing nothing at all, and how can any laws of logic be applied to, or derived from, observing nothing at all?

The laws of logic are conceptual realities.

They only exist in the mind, and they do not describe the physical behavior of things because behavior is action, and laws of logic are not descriptions of action, but of truth.

In other words, laws of logic are not actions.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0205579701&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrThey are statements about conceptual patterns of thought.

Though one could say that a law of physics (i.e., the angle of reflection is equal to the angle of incidence) is a statement which is conceptual, it is a statement that describes actual physical and observable behavior.

But, logical absolutes are not observable and do not describe behavior or actions of things, since they reside completely in the mind.

We do not observe the laws of logic occurring in matter.

You don’t watch an object NOT bring itself into existence if it doesn’t exist.

Therefore, no law of logic can be observed by watching nothing.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0939513951&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrIf the atheist appeals to the scientific method to explain the laws of logic, then he is using circular argumentation because the scientific method is dependent upon logic; that is, reasoned thought applied to observations.

If logic is not absolute, then no logical arguments for or against the existence of God can be raised, and the atheist has nothing to work with.

If logic is not absolute, then logic cannot be used to prove or disprove anything.

Atheists will use logic to try and disprove God’s existence, but in so doing they are assuming absolute laws of logic and borrowing from the Christian worldview.

The Christian worldview maintains that the laws of logic are absolute because they come from God, who is Himself absolute.

But the atheist worldview does not have an absolute God.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0955445345&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrSo, we ask, “How can absolute, conceptual, abstract laws be derived from a universe of matter, energy, and motion?”

In other words, “How can an atheist with a naturalistic presupposition account for the existence of logical absolutes when logical absolutes are conceptual by nature and not physical, energy, or motion?”


Belief illustrated

The process of believing is illustrated in the first figure below. Four thresholds are given, from 50% to 95% probability. The 50% threshold is the lowest reasonable one, of course, for all lower probabilities point more toward disbelief. If I set my threshold of belief at 50%, I will believe any proposition whose evidence provides a probability greater than 50%. The arrow from just above the 50% level to the 100% level represents the amount by which the probability must be http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0816062587&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrincreased from its actual value to its accepted value of 100% by the act of believing.
The threshold of 50% is of course is very casual.
 
It means that I will believe nearly anything presented to me. I can be much more selective if I raise the threshold to, say, 90% probability. I will then believe only propositions whose chances of being false are <10%. If I wish to be more stringent still, I can raise my personal threshold to 95% or greater. If I choose to be a real stickler, I may require 98–99% in order to believe. (By the way, science generally requires a probability of 95% to accept an idea as being true.)

Suppose I want to be a purist, and I decide to demand 100% probability. (I’m from Missouri—show me!) What happens to me then? I get into horrible philosophical/mathematical disputes about whether anything can be proven absolutely. Since we don’t have the opportunity to deal with such things in a short essay like this, we will avoid the question by not considering true absolutes.
Prob_b1

Proof

Prob_b2

Now we turn from belief to “proof.” It’s not as big a step as you might imagine, because “proof,” at least in the legal sense, is just a form of belief. Because the law has so permeated modern American life, we begin discussing proof from the legal standpoint.

Legal aspects of “proof”
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B002HPRDHY&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrA legal proceeding first decides on its threshold of belief (which it calls “standard of proof”), then assembles and evaluates evidence for the accusation. If the evidence exceeds the standard of proof, the legal body accepts the accusation and convicts the defendant. (It believes the proposition that he is guilty.)

In so doing, the legal body is simply choosing to raise its probability from its demonstrated (actual) value to 100% . Has the legal body proven the defendant guilty in our absolute sense of the word? No. They have only chosen to believe that he is guilty (“considered” him guilty). Unfortunately, the law uses the word “prove” or “convict” for all these decisions, regardless of threshold probability. This causes great confusion until the process is diagrammed.


The five “standards of proof” (thresholds of belief) found in the law are shown in the lower figure below. “Preponderance of the evidence” is the lowest, at 50% probability. It is used in most civil proceedings, and requires only that the plaintiff (accuser) outprove the defendant. Probabilities of 51% vs 49% produce the same “guilty” verdict as 99% vs 1%.


The second standard of proof is “clear and convincing.” It is also used in civil proceedings (equity cases), but less frequently than “preponderance of the evidence.” Its threshold probability lies somewhere between 50% and 90%. For simplicity, I have set it at 75% in the figure.


The third standard of proof is “beyond a reasonable doubt.” It is the common standard of http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0816044805&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrcriminal proceedings, and requires roughly that “all reasonable doubt about guilt of the accused be removed from the mind of the ordinary person.” This standard is generally considered to correspond to a probability of at least 90% (although some lawyers would claim ≥95%). For convenience, I have used 90% in the figure.


The fourth standard of proof is “to a moral certainty.” It is also used in criminal proceedings, and requires jurors to be “confident enough about the conclusion to rely on it in matters of the greatest personal importance.” Its level of probability falls somewhere between “beyond a reasonable doubt” and “certainty”. I have represented it here as 95%. Sometimes these last two standards are lumped together, as in “beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty.” To my mind, this further confuses the uninformed observer of the legal process. “To a moral certainty” means exactly the same. (Note the unfortunate use of “certainty” with probabilities of <100% here.)


The fifth standard of proof is “absolute certainty.” Although the law recognizes this standard of proof, it explicitly never requires it, because the law considers absolutism unworkable (i.e., no criminal would be convicted if 100% proof were required). FROM:  HERE!

Part 1 – The Doorway of Proving what we hope for :The Faith of God!

Rom 10:17
 
True faith comes from God, therefore it is empowered by the Words of God as YOU speak them in confession before God. As we learned earlier the Evidence we see in creation about God is ONLY REVEALED through the Faith that God gives you at the New Birth, it contains within it the PROVING of the evidence you now do not see. 
 
Beneath the SEEN WORLD is an UNSEEN WORLD where the the physical realm’s evidences are proven by the spiritual realm to be real, all of science is the outward evidence of the spiritual truth that PROVES it true, no theory of Man that cannot be proven by its counterpart in God’s realm is true. 
 
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=1581348126&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrHe FRAMED the worlds with spiritual substance from his mouth, so the universe is FIRST spiritual structure then physical manifestation. It is its spiritual structure that HOLDS it together, keeping it from flying apart!
 
Heb 11:1  
“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:3  
“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Heb 12:2  
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0310928621&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr“Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”
Always remember that there are TWO kinds of faith, one faith is natural every day belief in what we do, sitting in a chair, walking down the street, natural faith is an assumption that what is will be, BUT God’s pure Faith goes one step further, his faith presents absolute proof OF WHAT HE ASKS YOU TO DO.
Real faith, present tense (Now) faith from God provides proof that the evidences we do see in the physical realm are real and will come forth as promised. God never says what his faith cannot produce therefore his promises in Christ are YES and Amen!
 Jas 2:26  
God’s faith just like natural faith REQUIRES an action to produce results, no matter how much faith we think we have, if we NEVER ACT UPON his instructions then no results will happen, like planting a garden, if you keep the seed in your pocket and never put it in the ground it cannot grow!
2Pe 1:5  
“And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;..”
God requires us to know things, his faith in us is not a blind belief, http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B002GWWD1E&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrlike mans religion is, but one of PURITY and KNOWLEDGE the proof manifest through our actions. We are a LIVING EPISTLE written in the heart, known and read by all men because we act like he acted while he was here, that’s what Christlike means. 
The Church has FAILED miserably before the world, we act like other men who copied other men instead of being HIS written word in our hearts, revealing the proof of God in the world!

1Jn 5:4  
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=1596444312&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr“For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. “

Rev 14:12  
“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”
Gods Faith doesn’t work UNDER WAVERING, DOUBTFUL CONDITIONS, just think about this for a second, if you had kids that WAVERED and DOUBTED every thing you told them. Would your words mean anything to them? Would your presence matter to them? 
When you have confidence in someone’s word to you, you never doubt the outcome because you possess the proof internally, you trust emphatically that what they say is what will happen because you have experienced them personally. The longer you experience http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B0007EHC5A&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrGod’s word and act upon it, the deeper the proof becomes, depth in God is revealed as your faith grows!

Psa 42:7  
 
“Deep calleth unto deep at the noise of thy waterspouts: all thy waves and thy billows are gone over me. “

Joh 1:1  
 
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14  
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=1600661297&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
Because we are dealing with not just a part of God but with God himself being planted in our recreated Human spirit, Faith is more than a belief but the result of belief, the proof, the evidence of Hopes and dreams, the very thing that holds every ATOM in the universe together resides in your heart waiting for you to act upon what God says.
This does not seem to be dealing with Apologetic issues but I assure you that these teachings are the very foundation of every thing we believe. 
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0830816496&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrIf you do not understand what true faith is you cannot PROVE to yourself or anyone else that God is real if he’s not real to you first; that is just logical! The Atheist and the Agnostic are looking at a spiritual issue from the BACKWARD position, wanting proof that can ONLY come through personal experience, then turning around and refusing to act upon it to gain the proof. 
It is they who are trapped in a “God Box” never being able to leave the confusion of wanting proof of God and not able to act on it to get the proof they seek! It goes against everything in them to OBEY BEFORE RECEIVING THE PROOF but that is how God made FAITH to work, because in doing it that way it filters out the wavering and doubt our human condition is cursed with. SIMPLE OBEDIENCE to God, NOT A http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=193659417X&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrCHURCH, NOT A MAN-MADE IDEA, BUT TO GOD ALONE releases the proof you seek, but you must first do the required action…..SALVATION!

The Bible: Circular Reasoning or Proof of God?

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0882709704&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrThe problem with skeptics is NOT their natural skepticism which is good to have but the inconsistent and dishonest way in which they approach God and his word.

The statement “Christians can’t use circular reasoning by trying to prove the bible by quoting from the bible!”
This question which sounds reasonable to the masses who hate all things God, is lacking BOTH common sense and reasonableness  if you use proper logic! The Bible is a written record of what http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0529122170&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrhappened from the beginning until the future, it is God’s memory recorded in writing of the history of the earth. So to even think that its not O.K. to use it to prove the proposition that God exists is at best avoidance of PROOF.
It is like saying you cannot prove that the president lives in the White House by looking inside the White House to provide the necessary proof! 
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B003J7VVL8&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrOr you cannot fix your Car by looking at what’s wrong under the hood BY LOOKING AT THE BOOK of how to fix your car to find evidence of the problem!

Is it wrong to read the Origin of Species to gain insight into Darwin’s mind or is that also circular Reasoning? 
The fallacy of petitio principii, or “begging the question”, is committed “when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof.    More specifically, petitio principii refers to arguing for a conclusion that has already been assumed in the premise, in effect “begging” any listener to “question” the basis of the logic.
Using the Bible to prove it true is a totally different thing because the Bible contains all the evidence needed to prove the proposition true, all that is needed is the FAITH of God to activate the mind to reason it out of the Bible.
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0890515441&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrEvolution on the other hand has many problems and issues that make this a problem, assumption is the Name of the Game with Evolution. Please IF you are a serious skeptic then please read the following Articles that PROVE evolution isn’t true!

Evolution is Missing a Mathematical Formula!

Darwinian Evolution is Missing a Way to Add Genes!
Helpless Babies Contradict ‘Survival of the Fittest’
 http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0684869136&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrThe fulfilled prophecies, the Amazing Consistency, and the many Scientific Statements of the Bible PROVE it to be the Word of God and thereby a book to gain witness of the facts about God and Creation.
 Evolution lives on NEW discoveries (Constantly moving the Ages of everything around like chess pieces on a chaotic board. Evolution has yet to deal with the Facts at hand which contradict it, while the Bible simply STATES the facts as is and science proves them true as they find out about them.

Scientific Facts in the Bible from the Evidence Bible
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0060630353&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrScientific Facts in the Bible: 100 Reasons to Believe the Bible is Supernatural in Origin (Hidden Wealth Series) 
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B001VDSSCW&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr1. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms. Here, Scripture tells us that the “things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
2. Medical science has only recently discovered that blood-clotting in a newborn reaches its peak on the eighth day, then drops. The Bible consistently says that a baby must be circumcised on the eighth day. 
3. At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant (1500 B.C.), the Bible spoke of the earth’s free float in space: “He…hangs the earth upon nothing” (Job 26:7).
4. The prophet Isaiah also tells us that the earth is round: “It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth” (Isaiah 40:22). This is not a reference to a flat disk, as some skeptics http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0805424628&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrmaintain, but to a sphere. Secular man discovered this 2,400 years later. At a time when science and FALSE  believed that the earth was flat, is was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world (see Proverbs 3:6 footnote). 
5. God told Job in 1500 B.C.: “Can you send lightnings, that they may go, and say to you, Here we are?” (Job 38:35). The Bible here is making what appears to be a scientifically ludicrous statement—that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves travel at the speed of light? 
This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn’t discover this until 1864 when “British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing” (Modern Century Illustrated Encyclopedia).
6. Job 38:19 asks, “Where is the way where light dwells?” Modern man has only recently discovered that light (electromagnetic radiation) has a “way,” traveling at 186,000 miles per second.
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B000CSOHOU&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr7. Science has discovered that stars emit radio waves, which are received on earth as a high pitch. God mentioned this in Job 38:7: “When the morning stars sang together…”
8. “Most cosmologists (scientists who study the structures and evolution of the universe) agree that the Genesis account of creation, in imagining an initial void, may be uncannily close to the truth” (Time, Dec. 1976). 
9. Solomon described a “cycle” of air currents two thousand years before scientists “discovered” them. “The wind goes toward the south, and turns about unto the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits” (Ecclesiastes 1:6). 
10. Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power, and motion. Genesis 1:1,2 revealed such truths to the Hebrews in 1450 B.C.: “In the beginning [time] God created [power] the heaven [space] and the earth [matter] . . . And the Spirit of God moved [motion] upon the face of the waters.” The first thing God tells man is that He controls of all aspects of the universe. 
11. The great biological truth concerning the importance of blood in our body’s mechanism has http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B001HFLU8I&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrbeen fully comprehended only in recent years. Up until 120 years ago, sick people were “bled,” and many died because of the practice. If you lose your blood, you lose your life. Yet Leviticus 17:11, written 3,000 years ago, declared that blood is the source of life: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood.” 
12. All things were made by Him (see John 1:3), including dinosaurs. Why then did the dinosaur disappear? The answer may be in Job 40:15–24. In this passage, God speaks about a great creature called “behemoth.” Some commentators think this was a hippopotamus. However, the hippo’s tail isn’t like a large tree, but a small twig. Following are the characteristics of this huge animal: It was the largest of all the creatures God made; was plant-eating (herbivorous); had its strength in its hips and a tail like a large tree.
It had very strong bones, lived among the trees, drank massive amounts of water, and was not disturbed by a raging river. He appears impervious to attack because his nose could pierce through snares, but Scripture says, “He that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.” In other words, God caused this, the largest of all the creatures He had made, to become extinct. 
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B0002BQSC6&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr13. Encyclopedia Britannica documents that in 1845, a young doctor in Vienna named Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was horrified at the terrible death rate of women who gave birth in hospitals. As many as 30 percent died after giving birth. Semmelweis noted that doctors would examine the bodies of patients who died, then, without washing their hands, go straight to the next ward and examine expectant mothers. 
This was their normal practice, because the presence of microscopic diseases was unknown. Semmelweis insisted that doctors wash their hands before examinations, and the death rate immediately dropped to 2 percent. 
Look at the specific instructions God gave His people for when they encounter disease: “And when he that has an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself even days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean” (Leviticus 15:13). 
Until recent years, doctors washed their hands in a bowl of water, leaving invisible germs on their hands. However, the Bible says specifically to wash hands under “running water.” 
14. Luke 17:34–36 says the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will occur while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night at the same time.
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B004JR6GBW&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifr15. “During the devastating Black Death of the fourteenth century, patients who were sick or dead were kept in the same rooms as the rest of the family. People often wondered why the disease was affecting so many people at one time. They attributed these epidemics to ‘bad air’ or ‘evil spirits.’ However, careful attention to the medical commands of God as revealed in Leviticus would have saved untold millions of lives. 
Arturo Castiglione wrote about the overwhelming importance of this biblical medical law: ‘The laws against leprosyin Leviticus 13 may be regarded as the first model of sanitary legislation’ (A History of Medicine).” 
Grant R. Jeffery, The Signature of God 

“With all these truths revealed in Scripture, how could a thinking person deny that the Bible is supernatural in origin?”

There is no other book in any of the world’s religions (Vedas, Bhagavad-Gita, Koran, Book of Mormon, etc.) that contains scientific truth. In fact, they contain statements that are clearly unscientific. 
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=9654780437&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrHank Hanegraaff said,

“Faith in Christ is not some blind leap into a dark chasm, but a faith based on established evidence.” (Hebrews 11:1 )

The Bible is ANYTHING but circular reasoning, it is a witness to great things proven within its supernatural pages. 

The Bible: Proofs of its Supernatural Origin!

http://www.gospeloutreach.net/bibsuper.html

To deny this is to close one’s mind to facts that bother your theory of beginnings.

Part 2 -The Doorway to Belief: How FAITH Opens the Proof of God!

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0964261065&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrAs we learned previously, The Bible cannot be learned from, with “The Mind of the Flesh”mindset; meaning that the Natural Mind is blinded to anything spiritual…..period! The natural human mind cannot imagine the half of what God HAS DONE let alone what he will do BY FAITH!
The words of God are of spiritual nature so it is totally understandable and Logical that it must then be spiritually understood, opened within the spirit man to reveal its proof within you once you have obeyed God. 
This is what the Bible calls “The Renewing of the Mind” http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0890510032&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrrestructuring our thinking so that what God says makes perfect sense to our human mind, the problem is we have become religious rather than smart in our thinking!
 Romans 12
 1I APPEAL to you therefore, brethren, and beg of you in view of [all] the mercies of God, to make a decisive dedication of your bodies [presenting all your members and faculties] as a living sacrifice, holy (devoted, consecrated) and well pleasing to God, which is your reasonable (rational, intelligent) service and spiritual worship.
   
2Do not be conformed to this world (this age), [fashioned after and adapted to its external, superficial customs], but be transformed (changed) by the [entire] renewal of your mind [by its new ideals and its new attitude], so that you may prove [for yourselves] what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God, even the thing which is good and acceptable and perfect [in His sight for you].
The total transformation of the mind through the Word of God, and remember the Words of God are the containers of proof, of http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B002Z14MXI&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrevidence, of answers to our deepest questions. Once we renew our thinking and restructure our mind to think as God himself would think then the Will of God becomes second nature to us!
Man’s religion, his attempt to reach God aside from God’s provisions for Salvation and his CLEAR commands, are mind/flesh agreements that DISAGREE with God’s clear Commands. (Idol Worship is a clear case, praying to saints, confessing to men sin, ALL CLEAR DISOBEDIENCE TO SCRIPTURE
Religion is wearing a Fig Leaf to cover sin instead of allowing God to put the Blood of Christ there. People who are deceived by religion are as blinded by darkness as skeptics who don’t know the Lord at all and cannot see the truth before them, the only difference is that Religion has access to the truth in their laps or http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0830832351&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifron their coffee tables daily and Skeptics don’t. 
 WHAT IS BELIEF?

1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief.
3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.
This equally applies to science as it does religion, there’s no way around this. Scientists BELIEVE certain things based SOMETIMES on good scientific evidence and other times not so much, so for Atheist’s to say they are not a religion, a belief system is at best a denial of the obvious. 
 
I know they are not a religion LIKE a denomination but in basic terms ALL men worship something, god or God or Humanism or science as a concept to explain who we are, why are we here and where are we going? 
That is where the similarities end through, because without proof there is NO God, Atheists have no firm base on which to stand http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0520261879&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrsince the ALL NATURAL explanation of origins (Evolution) is naked of proof, only circumstantial evidence!
As I have said TRUE BIBLICAL FAITH according to Hebrews 11:1 is the real base on which all Christian evidence rests BUT it must be understood FIRST of all that the requirement of God is to receive HIS FAITH FIRST then all the evidence’s PROOF’S are revealed to the Mind!   

Hebrews 10:34 (Amplified Bible)

For you did sympathize and suffer along with those who were imprisoned, and you bore cheerfully the plundering of your belongings and the confiscation of your property, in the knowledge and consciousness that you yourselves had a better and lasting possession.”

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0690045654&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrFaith produces true Knowledge by stirring our Consciousness with “doubtless” confidence in God’s ability to fulfill what he has said to us, that goes for evidence for whatever we are desiring to get from him!

True Biblical Faith is the heaven sent SUBSTANCE of what we desire, physically or Mentally need to know or have. Faith given by God CONTAINS within its seed every thing needed to BRING that desire into OUR REALITY.

Just as in Science, you MUST STOP doing everything that will taint your results, your heart must be like a “Clean Room” in a Lab, pure from any desire that is Hypocritical to what you want to happen. If you desire Healing it would be a conflict of Interest to keep claiming your sick. Don’t deny the truth, but rather reinforce your true desire with scriptural backing, thus creating the end result as God framed the worlds.


A scientist doesn’t REHEARSE a wrong idea when he knows it won’t get the result wanted, he changes what he’s doing to match the wanted results, in the same way we must change what doesn’t work (Our Confessions to others and ourselves) and start confessing what God says about us, that’s how FAITH serves God’s purposes in our life.

http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B0006UEVQ8&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrWhenever we excel in our desires we are experiencing prosperity from God and that is HIS PERFECT WILL FOR US! 

Hebrews 11:6 (Amplified Bible)

“But without faith it is impossible to please and be satisfactory to Him. For whoever would come near to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He is the rewarder of those who earnestly and diligently seek Him [out].

Did you see that, “whoever would come near to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists“, that is clearly proof of what I’ve been saying about the proper way to get your proof. First http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=B0007QQULK&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifraccept him by Faith then the proof that he exists follows, its not a blind faith without proof.

“Without faith it is impossible to please and be satisfactory to Him.” God loves a FAITH following believer, and will ALWAYS answer their prayers of heart felt desire. Faith gets God’s attention immediately and HIGHLIGHTS YOUR NEEDS AND DESIRES.

Psalm 35:27 (Amplified Bible)

“Let those who favor my righteous cause and have pleasure in my uprightness shout for joy and be glad and say continually, Let the Lord be magnified, Who takes pleasure in the prosperity of His servant.”

Mark 11:23-24 (Amplified Bible)

“Truly I tell you, whoever says to this mountain, Be lifted up and thrown into the sea! and does not doubt at all in his heart but believes that what he says will take place, it will be done for him.
    
For this reason I am telling you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe (trust and be confident) that it is granted to you, and you will [get it].


This is an exciting verse, or it should be for the skeptic, who is willing top follow the RULE laid down by God in his word, its a chance to PROVE once and for all if God is real or imaginary, but you must first follow what he’s told you to do. This isn’t hard, but the skeptical mind cannot be in obedience to what it rejects from the outset.
http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=theope-20&o=1&p=8&l=bpl&asins=0892767286&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&m=amazon&lc1=0000FF&bc1=000000&bg1=FFFFFF&f=ifrIf your in revolt to God in ANY WAY, faith CANNOT WORK, if you are not in total obedience to his requirements YOU HAVE SPOILED THE EXPERIMENT and have no right to criticize God from a scientific standpoint. A scientific mindset would never do what MOST skeptics do normally, rebel against the results because you don’t want to believe the alternative idea.
A true Scientist goes into an investigation UNBIASED trying to find Evidence of ether side of the argument NOT going into it with doubts of one side and belief of the other side strong, HOW could any result but the one expected ever happen? If you are like that your not serious about the results and are the biblical definition of a HYPOCRITE!
 

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